Dr. Albert Mohler Meets Again with the Cult of the Sun and Moon People (Mormons)
Brigham Young co-founder of the Mormon Cult once said, “Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening called the moon? …when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain,” (Mormon – Journal of Discourses – quote more fully provided at end of article with source).
In a new evangelical outreach a number of prominent Christian leaders are meeting with the cult of the Sun and Moon People at Brigham Young University (BYU). At the personal invitation of the Sun and Moon People leader several Evangelical Christian leaders have graciously accepted over the past year. Due to the popularity of these interfaith meetings at the Sun and Moon People’s University (BYU), it was held where more students could attend and at least one of the Sun and Moon People’s general authorities were present on stage so the student body could know it has the full endorsement of their leadership. This past week the latest evangelical leader to speak again to the cult was Dr. Albert Mohler on February 25th, 2014, addressing what he sees as a common threat posed to our religious freedoms saying to the effect, despite whatever differences we have in doctrine and religious belief we urgently need to talk in the evil day we live. Opening up Dr. Mohler described the privilege it was to spend time with the General Authorities that run the cult counting them as friends,
“I also had the privilege of spending time with some of the General Authorities of your church, including Elder Tom Perry, Elder Quentin Cook, Elder Dallin Oaks, and several others. I am glad to know these men as friends.”
And Dr. Mohler said this which troubles me,
“We need to talk. We can and must take the risk of responsible, respectful, and honest conversation. We owe this to each other, and we owe this to the faiths we represent. And we had better talk with candor and urgency, for the times demand it.”
Dr. Mohler qualified his message stating how very different what an Evangelical Christian believes compared to the beliefs of a Sun and Moon cult member (similar to what he did this past October 2013). Dr. Mohler said, “I come to honor the importance of ideas and the centrality of the search for truth with you.” Previously Dr. Mohler said in October 2013,
“I love and respect you as friends, and as friends we would speak only what we believe to be true, especially on matters of eternal significance. We inhabit separate and irreconcilable theological worlds, made clear with respect to the doctrine of the Trinity. And yet here I am, and gladly so. We will speak to one another of what we most sincerely believe to be true, precisely because we love and respect one another.”
“Irreconcilable”, “not going to heaven together,” means the other is condemned to Hell right!? And “speaking only what we believe to be true”, is he willing to speak with every other religious group out there as well saying we need to talk because the times demand it? Do we need to go to other cult academic locations even though they are spiritual enemies of the true Cross of Christ? Will he or others go to the Jehovah’s Witnesses next and do the same thing in their alleged search for the truth!? Does the Sun and Moon people cult (Mormon) really hold the same values, the same morality we hold up as the natural family? No. On the surface it may appear we agree but in the most fundamental ways our God is different than the Mormon god. Our views differ on husband, wife and children plus quickly deviate in every possible regard to what Heaven is – unless you are planning to propagate children on other worlds as new little gods! Our doctrine, our Christian teachings call what the Mormons teach accursed – how can we say less!?For plenty more of what the Mormons teach I recommend this ministry’s material, Mormon Research Ministry – They are truly one on the front-line in this spiritual war! How can we say we need to talk, except to say I have heard what you have taught and it is patently false, as false as non-traditional marriage, it is a fraud of what is Holy, what is pure based upon solely the Word of God our Creator. You need to repent! But Dr. Mohler said,
“Your faith has held high the importance of marriage and family. Your theology requires such an affirmation, and it is lovingly lived out by millions of Mormon families. That is why I and my evangelical brothers and sisters are so glad to have Mormon neighbors. We stand together for the natural family, for natural marriage, for the integrity of sexuality within marriage alone, and for the hope of human flourishing.”
Nothing makes the Mormon family above reproach Dr. Mohler and in fact the Mormon cult very carefully trains the Mormon disciple in every aspect of their doctrine but you know this and it in part why I am not mincing my open condemnation of your actions. Ok, for the sake of argument say a Mormon makes a fine American neighbor. As a military veteran I know what evils are in the world and I know if I had to defend my family, home, and liberty a Mormon would be a fierce ally in spite of our fundamental differences – but that is based on the religious liberty we have given us in the constitution of this great country we live. As a Christian first, I do not dare wrap myself in the flag in some kind of nationalistic pride that I see Dr. Mohler doing to rationalize to join with the Mormons! God first, and family second – we trust in God to work these things out. We have no intellectual rational that we can use to join as friends with those the Bible calls accursed, why do I state this so emphatically you ask? If you believe the Bible is God’s word and the meaning of the word “accursed” in the Greek you need to consider this: Strongs concordance for accursed: “331 ἀνάθεμα anathema an-ath’-em-ah is the strongest condemnation a person can have. “… A thing devoted to God without hope of being redeemed… therefore a person or thing doomed to destruction 2a) a curse 2b) a man accursed, devoted to the direst of woes”
Galatians 1:6-12 “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. 11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”
Following the scriptures above, Mormonism preaches another gospel which is not another, they trouble fellow believers with their own missions, they pervert the gospel of Christ, the Mormon claim is their gospel message came by way of an angel called Moroni. The Mormon gospel came after man by way of Joseph Smith, and co-founder Brigham Young but the Christian Gospel came directly by the revelation of Jesus Christ! Our business with the Mormons is clear, if we love them we pray for them never backing away from telling the hard truths and when one repents then we rejoice! If we are preaching the Gospel it is our Christian duty to follow through with the delivery of the whole Gospel which also includes,
Luke 9:5 “And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.”
Luke 10:10-16 “But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say, 11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you. 12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city. 13 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. 14 But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you. 15 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell. 16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.” Matthew 10:14-16 “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. 16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.” Mark 6:11-12 “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. 12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.”
According to the Bible, there is a fundamental principle dealing with those who have refused the Gospel of Jesus Christ. No matter how friendly they appear, no matter if you think they make great neighbors, no matter if in your estimation they hold to traditional marriage and family or that we share this country with the religious freedoms imparted to us that you feel are being threatened – it is the crystal clear message of the Bible warning when you depart those who refuse the Gospel and yes it is a very hard and very public statement,
Luke 10:10-11 “But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say, 11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.”
We as Bible believing Christians have no liberty or license to go and seek some common ground and seek to stand together with the likes of Mormons or any other false religion or cult – because they have openly refused to listen and believe the Gospel. We continue telling them the truth of the cross of Christ and openly denounce their gospel of the men Joseph Smith and Brigham Young as the fraud it is less we cause others to fall especially new or unlearned Christians, we MUST explain the differences! Their god is not God! Their Jesus is NOT our Jesus – to do less we have not loved the Mormon, we have actually hated their eternal soul helping them on to the way to Hell and damnation that is truly the issue of eternal significance!!!
The Bible not Dr. Albert Mohler has the last word in this matter! Taking a stand for our rights in this country is one thing but we have as much in common Mormons as a man on the Moon!
While the Mormons (Sun and Moon people cult) stands apart from traditional Christianity, not believing in the same God the Father, Jesus Christ the Only Son of God, and Holy Spirit or that He is One Triune God, they also believe the fall of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden was a good thing, and much, much more. The Mormon worldview is completely different from Christianity and even reality! While Dr. Mohler may have prayed in earnest then believed and intellectually rationalized it would be a good thing to accept this invitation he was dead wrong. Many of the very things he commended the Mormon on such as the devotion to traditional family and marriage are absurdities! Mormons teach that marriage is ETERNAL but the Bible makes it clear that is untrue. The Mormons teach that family is ETERNAL if the marriage was sealed with their temple rites but the Bible teaches no such thing. The list of differences between us is so extensive there are books to cover them! To put it directly as Dr. Albert Mohler said in the past,
In other words, Mormonism rejects traditional Christian orthodoxy at the onset- this rejection is the very logic of Mormonism’s existence. A contemporary observer of Mormon public relations is not going to hear this logic presented directly, but it is the very logic and message of the Book of Mormon and the structure of Mormon thought. Mormonism rejects Christian orthodoxy as the very argument for its own existence, and it clearly identifies historic Christianity as a false faith. http://www.christianity.com/christian-life/political-and-social-issues/mormonism-is-not-christianity-11628184.html
If Dr. Mohler still believes this then why you ask is he participating in these interfaith meetings? My belief is, Dr. Mohler has fallen into a trap that even this writer can relate too – PRIDE in intellect! While seeking to win these lost cult members he has accepted their invitation on a good moral cause but is unwittingly duped into what others like him Dr. Land, Dr. Wood and Dr. Zacharias have done. Their commendations to the Mormon fails to include what the Apostle Paul would have said next – their CONDEMNATION for perverting the Gospel Galatians 1:6-9. The Sun and Moon cult is the Mormon cult I opened with words straight from one of Mormon’s master deceivers Brigham Young and now in my opinion we have someone dubbed as one of today’s greatest Evangelical Christian intellectuals Dr. Albert Mohler standing as a pawn of the ever manipulative Mormon cult. My belief is Dr. Mohler is being played the fool on a fool’s errand, not giving a clear Gospel message but one that is sure to be used by the cult, by these men and women masquerading as God’s people when they are not! The Bible shows Dr. Mohler to be in complicity by associating with them, by being continual friends with them – it is inexcusable and needs open condemnation by all who hold the Bible to be true. We can rationalize ourselves into an intellectual corner against a wall and that is where I see Dr. Albert Mohler today, I have told him I am praying for him and indeed I am, there is nothing our true God cannot do including a reset of his position with Mormons (Sun and Moon People cult) that I have said previously is an egregious error and that belief stands.
2 John 1:10-11 “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
The above verse is one of the basics a young Christian learns if he/she is properly discipled and how to recognize the liars coming to our doors! The Apostle Paul pled with the Corinthians and I use to plead with Dr. Mohler or any who would defend him,
2 Corinthians 11:1-19 [bold emphasis mine] 1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles. 6 But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things. 7 Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely? 8 I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service. 9 And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself. 10 As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia. 11 Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth. 12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. 16 I say again, Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little. 17 That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting. 18 Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also. 19 For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.
Below I close with a quote from Mormon co-founder Brigham Young more fully (link included and it can be verified on the Mormon websites for their Journal of Discourses). It is one of many examples of the aberrant teachings of Mormonism usually swept under the carpet but none the less it is one of their many teachings of a completely different view of reality – literally a man-made fantasy! Again it begs the question why would any Bible Believing Christian accept a call to speak at a Mormon run interfaith meeting? Whether you are looking at it that way or not Dr. Mohler – that is how the Mormon sees it. As promised here is an excellent article documenting the Mormon leadership history on this ludicrous topic: http://www.mrm.org/moon-men Brigham Young said, [bold emphasis mine to focus on the sun, moon people and ‘wives’ too]
I will tell you who the real fanatics are: they are they who adopt false principles and ideas as facts, and try to establish a superstructure upon a false foundation. They are the fanatics; and however ardent and zealous they may be, they may reason or argue on false premises till doomsday, and the result will be false. If our religion is of this character we want to know it; we would like to find a philosopher who can prove it to us. We are called ignorant; so we are: but what of it? Are not all ignorant? I rather think so. Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon? When we view its face we may see what is termed “the man in the moon,” and what some philosophers declare are the shadows of mountains. But these sayings are very vague, and amount to nothing; and when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fellows. So it is with regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain. It was made to give light to those who dwell upon it, and to other planets; and so will this earth when it is celestialized. Every planet in its first rude, organic state receives not the glory of God upon it, but is opaque; but when celestialized, every planet that God brings into existence is a body of light, but not till then. Christ is the light of this planet. God gives light to our eyes. Did you ever think who gave you the power of seeing? Who organized these little globules in our heads, and formed the nerves running to the brain, and gave us the power of distinguishing a circle from a square, an upright from a level, large from small, white from black, brown from gray, and so on? Did you acquire this faculty by your own power? Did any of you impart this power to me or I to you? Not at all. Then where did we get it from? From a superior Being. When I think of these few little things with regard to the organization of the earth and the people of the earth, how curious and how singular it is! And yet how harmonious and beautiful are Nature’s laws! And the work of God goes forward, and who can hinder it, or who can stay His hand now that He has commenced His kingdom?
This brings us right back to this Gospel. God has commenced His kingdom on the earth. How intricate it is, and how difficult for a man to understand if he be not enlightened by the Spirit of God! How can we understand it? O, we have nothing to do but to humble ourselves and get the spirit of the Lord by being born of the water and of the Spirit; then we can enter into it. How is it if we are not born of the Spirit? Can the natural man behold the things of God? He cannot, for they are discerned spiritually—by the Spirit of the Almighty, and if we have not this Spirit within us we cannot understand the things of God. But the most simple thing in the world to understand is the work of the Lord. What shall we do? Divest ourselves of great, big “Mr. I.” Let him fall at the feet of good sound reason. What next? Humble ourselves before the Lord and receive the truth as He has revealed it, then we will be born of the Spirit. Then if we wish further blessings, be born of the water; then, if we wish further blessings, receive the laying on of hands for the reception of the Holy Ghost; and if we wish still further blessings, live by every word that proceeds out of His mouth, that is spoken from the heavens, then things will be brought to our remembrance by the Comforter that Jesus promised his disciples, which should show them things past, present, and to come.
This is the Gospel as we believe it. Is there any harm in it? Not the least in the world. Should we not obey it? We should. Should we not obey the requirements of Heaven? Certainly we should. Would it be the least injurious to the human family to receive the Gospel of the Son of God, and to have the man Christ Jesus to rule over them? Not at all; but, on the contrary, it would fill them with peace, joy, love, kindness, and intelligence. Would the principles of the Gospel, if obeyed, teach us to control ourselves? They would. They will teach men and women to govern and control their own passions. You very frequently hear it said, “Such a man or woman has too much temper.” This is a mistaken idea. No person on earth has too much of this article. But do we not frequently see the evil conduct of people through allowing their passions and tempers to have full control of them? Certainly we do. What is the difficulty? We want the spirit, knowledge, power and principle within us to govern and control our tempers; there is no danger of having too much if we will only control them by the Spirit of the Almighty. Every intelligent being on the earth is tempered for glory, beauty, excellency and knowledge here, and for immortality and eternal lives in the worlds to come. But every being who attains to this must be sanctified before God and be completely under the control of His Spirit. If I am thus controlled by the Spirit of the Most High I am a king, I am supreme so far as the control of self is concerned; and it also enables me to control my wives and children. And when they thus see that I am under the government and control of the Good Spirit, they will be perfectly submissive to my dictates. They feel and say, “Yes, father, or husband, certainly, you never require anything that is wrong; I have learned that long ago. Your judgment and discretion and the power of thought and reflection in you are sufficient; you know what is right.” And if I could extend this power I could reign supreme, not only over my family and friends, but also over my neighbors and the people all around me. Could the spirit of error, hatred and wickedness perform this? No, it can be accomplished only by means of the meek and humble spirit of the Lord Jesus. If an individual is filled with that, it makes him a perfect monarch over himself, and it will give him influence…”
In a related query to Mormon Research Ministry who are fighting the good fight in Utah,
Thanks for sharing your concerns. While I have utmost respect for the men you mention below, I too wonder if their appearance at Mormon venues is actually helping or hindering evangelism efforts. Thirty five + years of dealing with Mormonism tells me the LDS Church does nothing unless it’s agenda can be furthered. As far as I understand, the topics they have discussed have been more about religious freedom, etc., and not doctrinal truth; so this, I think, explains why we probably can’t expect anything to be said that will cause a Mormon to seriously reconsider their Mormonism. If I was asked who benefits most from these meetings I would have to say the Mormons, hands down. If they didn’t, the Mormons wouldn’t do it. I wish men of their caliber would sit down with those us who labor everyday in Utah, but so far, that has not happened.
I hope this helps.