Just when you think things cannot get more bizarre! From My Good Friends at Herescope comes another well researched article excerpt of the first section from:
A New Old Syncretism
Who would have ever thought that the evangelical world would come to this? Dabbling in the occult and being entertained by images and idols? The very sins that the ancient Hebrews were severely charged by God to avoid, are now rushing into the church at breakneck speed. As in the days of the Old Testament, the creeping gradualism of accommodating small concessions to idolatrous practices (New Age meditation, Yoga, e.g.) and has grown and expanded to now welcome the wholesale introduction of an ancient pantheon of gods and goddesses from every heathen culture.
These old idols, to which the ancient Roman world had dedicated so many temples, are now being revivified by their reintroduction in our modern era. This has come into the culture via New Age astrology and science fiction. These spectacular stories have been widely promulgated through comic books and entertainment media for many decades. But now they are coming into the church in the guise of an elaborately constructed end-time eschatology. This eschatology claims to be superior to the old models because it is based on gleanings from so-called sacred knowledge found in pagan myths and ancient writings.
This reinvigorated ancient mythological idolatry is being marketed to the evangelical world as a new and exciting eschatology by a group we have called the Postmodern Prophecy Paradigm (PPP) teachers. Endemic to their fabricated eschatology is the staunchly forbidden and unwise practice of seeking illumination outside of Holy Scripture. These teachers are now attempting to merge pagan mythology with the Bible. They have not only sought counsel from pagan and occult sources, but have also turned faulty proof-texting into a refined art, creating an erratic, erotic and exotic mixture of blended spiritualities.
Across our culture, and now in the church, mythology is being dished up on a new platter of high-tech imagery. The old lifeless wooden and stone statues (images/idols) are being re-cast into a new mold. Can these “gods” talk? The surprising answer is “yes” – thanks to Hollywood acting, film photography and digitalized imagery. It makes these images/idols more “potent,” especially in the imagination. This quality doesn’t make them “real.” Yet some prophecy teachers are claiming they are real. And it is this very claim, that they are real, that classifies them as pagan deities.
As you read the following account of how evangelicals are now adopting ancient pagan mythology and attempting to incorporate it into biblical eschatology, consider the following sober Scriptural warning about staying away from these mythological gods and their images:
“Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them,after that they be destroyed from before thee;
and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying,
‘How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.’
Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God:
for every abomination to the LORD, which He hateth,
have they done unto their gods;
for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.”(Deut. 12:30-31)
For the rest of the article click here: The Rise of End-Time Occultism, Part 7
Excerpt from:Soul-Saving Our One Business
Paul does not even say that he tried to moralize men. The best promoter of morality is the gospel. When a man is saved, he becomes moral; he becomes more, he becomes holy. But to aim first at morality is altogether to miss the mark; and if we did attain it,—as we shall not,—yet we should not have attained that for which we were sent into the world. Dr. Chalmers’ experience is a very valuable one to those who think that the Christian ministry ought to preach up mere morality, for he says that in his first parish he preached morality, and saw no good whatever arising out of his exhortations. But, as soon as he began to preach Christ crucified, then there was a buzz, and a stir, and much opposition, but grace prevailed. He who wishes for perfumes must grow the flowers; he who desires to promote morality must have men saved. He who wants motion in a corpse should first seek life for it, and he who desires to see a rightly ordered life should first desire an inward renewal by the Holy Spirit. We are not to be satisfied when we have taught men their duties towards their neighbours, or even their duties towards God; this would suffice for Moses, but not for Christ. The law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. We teach men what they ought to be, but we do far more; by the power of the gospel, applied by the Holy Ghost, we make them what they ought to be by the power of God’s Spirit. We put not before the blind the things that they ought to see, but we open their eyes in the name of Jesus. We tell not the captive how free he ought to be, but we open the door, and take away his fetters. We are not content to tell men what they must be, but we show them how this character can be obtained, and how Jesus Christ freely presents all that is essential to eternal life to all those who come and put their trust in Him.
Now observe, brethren, if I, or you, or any of us, or all of us, shall have spent our lives merely in amusing men, or educating men, or moralizing men, when we shall come to give in our account at the last great day, we shall be in a very sorry condition, and we shall have but a very sorry record to render; for of what avail will it be to a man to be educated when he comes to be damned? Of what service will it be to him to have been amused when the trumpet sounds, and heaven and earth are shaking, and the pit opens wide her jaws of fire, and swallows up the soul unsaved? Of what avail even to have moralized a man if still he is on the left hand of the Judge, and if still, “Depart, ye cursed,” shall be his portion? Blood-red with the murder of men’s souls will be the skirts of professing Christians, unless the drift, and end, and aim of all their work has been to “save some.” Oh! I beseech you, especially you, dear friends, who are working in Sunday and Ragged Schools, and elsewhere, do not think that you have done anything unless the children’s souls are saved. Settle it that this is the top and bottom of the business, and throw your whole strength, in the name of Christ, and by the power of the Eternal Spirit, into this object—if by any means you may save some, and bring some to Jesus that they may be delivered from the wrath to come. [Click here for rest of Sermon]
Charles Haddon Spurgeon
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Notes from the Board Meeting of the 12 Apostles – At the Vancouver City Temple of Fairmontism on November 2nd, 2013
Overview of 2013 Interfaith Meetings by the Prophet and Apostle Snow Flake:
This year we were able to welcome three key Christian evangelical leaders to our Joseph Rabbit Chasing University! Our interfaith meetings were truly a success filling up all the rooms even into the overflow rooms! As our founding father William Filthy Lucre Lordsburg said in our doctrinal papers we should not tussle with those of other faiths but show them our form of Christian love. Only by our kind of love will we show them the right path and lead them to becoming Gods as me. You must wrap your lives around theirs until the only path they see is that of Fairmontism.
We successfully invited Evangelical leaders: Dr. Grounds, Dr. Chips and Dr. Mauled to speak with us in the campus Lordsburg Varsity auditorium and we are looking forward to their return in 2014! Making our efforts extra special in January 2014, we will again be welcoming back Pastor Ralph Alpheus who has helped us to make these interfaith meetings possible starting over 20 years ago!
To brief our newest apostles on the board, the interfaith meetings in part got rolling with the work of Pastor Alpheus who we invited knowing his full stand against our religion. We wanted to show how we love those who hate us and once he came – how the friendships blossomed!
Today we can happily say after 20 years our strategy is working well and more recognize us as another mainline Christian faith! Here are a couple of the points made:
- In 2010 Dr. Grounds referred to us as the fourth Abrahamic faith now we just need them to recognize the history transcribed by William Lucre Lordsburg given him by the angel Gaius is genuine. Dr. Grounds even agrees we should not be named a cult!
- In October 2013, Dr. Chips recognized our history of us being persecuted religiously!
Founding father Lordsburg truly understood the meaning of patience while on this Earth, and he predicted many things within the thousands of prophetic papers. We must continue these interfaith dialogues, in spite of our Evangelical friends still being stuck on the Trinity of God, the atoning work of Jesus’ blood and so on, we must look past their errors and focus on the common ground we have with morality, family and marriage.
Apostle Strangelove made an observation in our last board meeting, he expressed concern that our evangelical friends may take issue that we view marriage as eternal and that our children become our literal god children in the next life. I am happy to report this issue has not come up and I do not believe it will be a problem anymore, especially with all of the focus being on that of the perversions of same sex marriage and other immoral behavior. It appears our Evangelical friends are able to look past those differences at least.
We must continue to have them come speak in our schools to help validate our religion to all even while they deny it saying we are theologically worlds apart. The ends justify the means, and as they continue to grace us at these speaking engagements our opportunities to win over their young believers to the true path of Fairmontism is growing exponentially.
I will bring an update at our next Apostles of Fairmont Board meeting scheduled March 15th, 2014 following the messages from our Evangelical pawns, oh I mean friends.
From Way of Life Ministries Friday, November 1st, 2013: Southern Baptist Seminary President Speaks To Mormons About Joining Forces Against Secularism
“Heterosexuals did a very good job of undermining marriage before same-sex couples arrived with their demands. The marriage crisis is a moral crisis and it did not start with same-sex marriage, nor will it end there. Once marriage can mean anything other than a heterosexual union, it can and must mean everything. It is just a matter of time” (Mohler at Brigham Young).
Dr. David Cloud responded, “Those are brilliant statements. He knows what is happening and sees what is coming, but he understands neither the root cause nor the solution. As for the root cause, it is the apostasy and compromise of the churches, and his own Southern Baptist Convention has as much guilt in this as any. He proposes a poisonous solution to heal the disease.”
For the rest of Dr. Cloud’s article click here or title
For more on this whole debacle read our article:
Truth with Snares – Top Seven Reasons Why Not to Speak at Mormon Interfaith Meetings
Linked to article: Biblical Interfaith Meetings – the 3rd Way using Land, Wood and Mohler
- You must rationalize that it is ok to go to BYU on the issues of “common ground” with the defense of marriage, the family. While we know and address the utter insanity that is making perverted sexuality the new norm in our society there are no scriptures where God makes exceptions for academic institutions for us to come together with cults. We are to mark and avoid false teachers and not place ourselves under Mormon “general authority.” “Each of the lecture speakers in this series were accompanied by a general [Mormon] authority.” (Source: BYU Universe)
- A Bible believing Christian leader should never go to the Mormons (or other cults) to have interfaith ‘dialogue’ plus make plans for future interfaith conversations on “temporal or eternal” things as stated. Dialogue is not debate. There can be dialogue for the things about marriage and the family in the societal setting in which we live, without compromising. On eternal differences that there can be no dialogue, we are absolute that our God is true and the Mormon god is not one at all. Secondly, Mormons define marriage as eternal, and even children are looked upon in a different manner from Bible believing Christians.
- Dr. Mohler did state some of the differences well. He very briefly stated what he believes to be true (I would infer about what the Gospel is) when he said, “I believe that salvation comes only to those who believe and trust only in Christ and in his substitutionary atonement for salvation. I believe in justification by faith alone, in Christ alone”, the listener must understand what Dr. Mohler speaks of is Christ’s blood atonement for sin to all that believe in Him – and the faith we have is the gift of God. We can only attain that atonement, that forgiveness of sin by faith through Christ Jesus alone. However, Dr. Mohler contrary to his presentation was not a true friend (holding back nothing), but as a worldly friend not condemning Mormon as we have seen with the others in this lecture series. If we truly love the Mormons, we tell them the whole truth not a partial truth leaving out the need of repentance.
- The “irreconcilable differences” are many with Mormons versus Christians. By not including the foremost issue, the fraud of Mormon beliefs, you may win their friendship but you have done nothing to show Christ’s love for them and turn them from their hell bound state. You fail to be a true friend by not addressing the worship of a false god. Luke 6:27 “But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,” – doing good is sharing the whole counsel of God that Mormonism is a lie!
- Not a single scripture was given (at least from what is provided as being said on Dr. Mohler’s own website) to support what he said that the power of the Bible just might reach and save one lost Mormon soul. Isaiah 55:11.
- This was not as the Apostle Paul at Mars Hill Acts 17:23 “For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.” The Mormon believes fervently they serve the God of the Bible, but also of the Book of Mormon another god – little “g” intended, because they serve a fictitious god invented by man with a gospel of men.
- I believe Dr. Mohler’s, statements of differences: “irreconcilable”, “not going to heaven together”, and “speaking only what we believe to be true” show him to be hiding his hatred of Mormonism in order to gain this audience and another meeting scheduled in February 2014. I will address this momentarily in the article. (Back to:
Biblical Interfaith Meetings – the 3rd Way using Land, Wood and Mohler)
I am not saying this list is all the reasons but those that first came to mind…
From the first Biblical interfaith meeting in 1 Kings 18 when God’s Prophet Elijah met with the prophets of Baal, to the Apostle Paul revealing the true identity of their unknown God to the Greeks in Acts 17:23, and I have recently learned a number of Christian leaders have purportedly found a third methodology to successful interfaith meetings with Mormons.
At the invitation of Mormon leaders a number of Christian leaders have agreed to speak at the Mormon’s most prestigious school, Brigham Young University (BYU). Starting this past September and continued into October 2013, the BYU Universe student news service has headlined, “Interfaith Lecture Series a huge success on BYU campus.” (Source) The series has done so well the plans for more meetings in 2014 have already been announced. Here are some of the Christians leading the charge so far:
- Dr. Richard Land, President of Southern Evangelical Seminary of Charlotte, NC on September 6th
- Dr. George O. Wood, General Superintendent of the Assembly of God September 16th
- Dr. Albert Mohler, President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary on October 23rd 2013.
Mormon students have been filling their auditoriums by the thousands over the past couple months to hear these men speak!
So are these Christian leaders bringing the Gospel of the true Jesus Christ, and reveal the Mormon god is no god at all? According to at least one of the Mormon leaders organizing these meetings the answer is, no. The stated purpose of these interfaith lectures is,
“…not to discuss the differences in doctrine between the LDS church and other religions, but rather is to build on common values and to encourage students to take an active part in defending family, their faith and community. “It’s about what we do have in common and what we can do to strengthen our society and our families,”said BYU Dean of Religious Education, Brent Top. (Source: BYU Universe)
In light of that stated purpose, should Christian leaders accept the invitations and speak at these interfaith meetings at this Mormon university? Apparently these men did not take issue and seized what they believe to be an opportunity given them by God.
“BYU students arrived at the Wilkinson Center in hoards to hear a lecture by Richard D. Land, President of the Southern Evangelical Seminary Sept. 6 . … We were pleasantly surprised when so many students arrived to listen to the lecture. About 1,000 BYU students crammed into the Wilkinson Student Center, filling one lecture room and two overflow rooms. … Land was the first of many religious leaders to address BYU students in this series. The new lecture series, “Lectures on Faith, Family, and Society,” is a series focused on bringing people of all different faiths together based on common values: family, faith and community.” September 16, 2013, Interfaith Lecture Series a huge success on BYU campus, (Source: BYU Universe)
Top, introduced Dr. Land,
“…as highly qualified to instruct on these issues. “Dr. Land is truly an example of what each BYU student and faculty member seeks to be — a disciple scholar,” Top said.” September 18, 2013, Baptist minister shares beliefs with a BYU audience (Source: BYU Universe)
Next on September 18th 2013, came Dr. George Wood, Assembly of God General Superintendent,
“A recent push by the Quorum of the Twelve to promote religious freedom has led to much interfaith discussion and many opportunities, including this second lecture of the Faith, Family, and Society series. Before Wood took the stage, Professor Andrew Skinner, of the Department of Ancient Scripture, introduced Wood as a man of incredible faith and devotion. You can feel the Spirit of God with him when you shake his hand,” Skinner said.” September 17, 2013, Assembly of God CEO addresses BYU students. (Source: BYU Universe)
According to the discernment site TruthKeepers.com Dr. Wood received a prolonged standing ovation at the finish,
“I went on then to share my experience of faith, and ended by noting that faith is not subjective but is based on the objective reality of Jesus Christ risen from the dead. The students listened in rapt attention and when I was finished, gave a prolonged ovation. I leave the results to the Lord.” Statement credited to Dr. Wood. (Source: TruthKeepers)
Most recently on October 21, 2013 Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr., President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, presented a lecture called, “A Clear and Present Danger: Religious Liberty, Marriage and Family in the Late Modern Age” Source, October 23, 2013, Southern Baptist shares beliefs with a BYU audience. (BYU Universe)
And the rooms filled again. The Holy Spirit must have been moving for these men to speak at this center of Mormon, Latter Day Saint education right? The Mormons ensured their leadership was represented on stage with each of the lecture speakers so the students would know the lectures had their support,
“Each of the lecture speakers in this series were accompanied by a general [Mormon] authority.” (Source: BYU Universe)
For Mohler’s lecture, on stage with him was, Richard G. Hinckley, an emeritus seventy for Wood, Elder Jeffrey R. Holland of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles and for Land I cannot find a statement or records since those arranging these interfaith lectures decided NOT to record them. (Source: TruthWithSnares email with BYU public contact and response)
Perhaps these lecture speakers believe they are walking in the footsteps of once famous preacher D. L. Moody. D.L. Moody said he was preaching against sin in the strongest way to the Mormons when at their Tabernacle in Salt Lake City. Here is what D. L. Moody reportedly said just over 100 years ago,
“I commenced on sin. I believe Mormons are just as much sinners as the rest of us. I bore down as hard as I could on sin; and when I got through, I said: ”You have heard this. Do you want to break with sin? Are you tired and sick of sin?” I said, “Take time to consider; don’t act on the impulse, but just consider. If there is one in this house that wants to break with sin, I am going to ask you to rise and stand while I pray. I put it fair and square, and gave them perhaps five minutes before I brought them to a decision, and do you know, almost the whole crowd rose! Tears rolled down their cheeks.” (Source: D.L. Moody, Sermon 120 Moody’s Latest Sermons)
Even the well-known D.L. Moody while rightly calling Mormons to repentance failed to mention they must renounce their false prophet Joseph Smith and his false gospel. Perhaps these Christian leaders speaking in 2013 are seeing Mormons abandoning a host of unorthodox and blasphemous teachings and now they are going to their knees in sorrow and tears before the One True God of the Bible. Perhaps they are repenting before our God who in the strongest language condemns them, and other cults like theirs.
Why is pointing out the Mormon god is a false god so important?
The Bible specifically warns of supposed angels from heaven preaching another Gospel. Mormons claim Joseph Smith’s vision of an angel named Moroni brought him God’s word in 1827. But I believe my Bible,
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
The Bible says Mormons are ACCURSED, but these speakers must know something none of the rest of us do. Their new third way of interfaith meetings must use some hidden method, they must be witnessing a real change in order to have some of the Mormon’s highest leaders there on stage with them. They must be seeing a genuine turning to the true Jesus Christ of the Bible. The God who is part of the Trinity that the faithful Mormon rejects — right?
Just like in the 1800s with D.L. Moody, and possibly why other preachers have NOT gone to the Mormons that is, until men like Ravi Zacharias started working with BYU back in 1994 (approximately). Bible believing leaders have mostly shunned Mormons and not met on “commonalities.” I believe even D.L. Moody was duped by the Mormons of his day, and we are not seeing these Mormon students leaving BYU and coming to our churches as a result.
I believe we will continue to see more Moroni angel idols raised, not razed upon new Mormon temples.
I believe unless God, author of the Holy Bible is a liar, (not the god of multiple so-called bibles of Mormons/LDS), these Christian leaders may think they speak for God, but they cannot be. They think they are doing God a favor obeying Him by the leading of the Holy Spirit (according to what I read from them) and even making friends of Mormons. (That is not the same thing as being friendly towards or showing Christian hospitality.) These actions are the opposite of what the Bible teaches us to do with our spiritual enemies. The Bible says in,
James 4:4 “Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.”
I can hardly believe what I have been reading, these key leaders of a Biblical Christian persuasion making friends of God’s enemies? That is what I see and what I am reading. Adding to this, Wood in his presentation offered words of consolation to the Mormons,
Wood said, “Like the LDS we were a very marginalized minority, and even persecuted,” Wood said. “We had preachers that were tarred and feathered and driven out of town because we had this experience that others didn’t understand.” (September 17, 2013, Assembly of God CEO addresses BYU students, BYU Universe)
Wood validates to what I read is really revised Mormon history (from the Mormon’s perspective) that I believe is a very tainted history of persecution. Mormon history stands in direct contrast to the history I read pointing to citizens who were reacting to driving the Mormon hoodlums (criminals) out of town – a far cry from religious persecution. (For more here is one source: Are Christians persecuting Mormons?)
During his message,
“Wood spoke of an experience he had two years earlier with Mormon Apostle, [one of their Quorum of Twelve Apostles], Elder Holland, at a conference in Utah. In response to a question from Wood, Elder Holland expressed that his greatest worry about the young generation was that they would grow coarse to the values and principles taught by Jesus Christ.
“His response immediately bonded my heart to him,” Wood said. “Any Assembly of God preacher could say the same thing. We just absolutely share that in common.” (Source: BYU Universe)
By befriending Mormons, the Latter Day Saints who follow the teachings of their prophet Joseph Smith, I believe Dr. Mohler and other Christian speakers make themselves “…coarse to the values and principles taught by Jesus Christ,” by making friendship through perceived commonalities of marriage and family more important than our differences in scriptures to these enemies of God.
In that key portion wherein Dr. Mohler refers to the Gospel, he said,
“This is what brings me to Brigham Young University today. I am not here because I believe we are going to heaven together. I do not believe that. I believe that salvation comes only to those who believe and trust only in Christ and in his substitutionary atonement for salvation. I believe in justification by faith alone, in Christ alone. I love and respect you as friends, and as friends we would speak only what we believe to be true, especially on matters of eternal significance. We inhabit separate and irreconcilable theological worlds, made clear with respect to the doctrine of the Trinity. And yet here I am, and gladly so. We will speak to one another of what we most sincerely believe to be true, precisely because we love and respect one another.”
I believe Dr. Mohler’s intellectual defense of accepting the invitation to speak at BYU, was an egregious error. While I certainly agree with Dr. Mohler and others about the dangers facing all faiths that hold traditional views of marriage and family, there are many reasons why Bible believing Christians do not follow their examples. Here are Seven of My Top Reasons Not to Speak at Mormon Interfaith Meetings.
Dr. Mohler and the others who are willing to unite on a generic common ground with Mormons, it begs the question, does that indicate they will follow this same path with every other religion/cult out there holding to traditional values?
The foundation of the Gospel was not built by meeting on common ground with any other religious belief system in the world, the opposite is true.
John 15:18-19 “If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.”
Mormonism is a gospel of man, it is of this world not of Christ, or of the God of the Bible. It is not as Dr. Land said of Mormons prior to this lecture series,
“I do not think Mormonism is an orthodox Christian faith, with a small O. I think perhaps the most charitable way for an evangelical Christian to look at Mormonism is to look at Mormonism as the fourth Abrahamic faith. (Source: Apprising Ministries of Pastor Ken Silva) [Bold emphasis mine]
Mormonism is a cult. Dr. Land does these lost souls no favors by saying it is not. These Christian leaders have in my opinion forgotten key scriptures warning them of this dangerous ground. Remember these?
Galatians 1:10-12 “For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”
2 Corinthians 11:4-5 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him]. For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.
2 Corinthians 11:12-15 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”
Dr. Mohler, and other speakers, I believe you validated the Mormon leadership by calling them “friend,” you have stepped into a snare set by those who follow one of the greatest con artists of the 19th century, Joseph Smith the inventor of the Mormonism. While working to defend the family, and morality, you forget the most important thing is to earnestly contend for the faith; the basic tenet of Biblical discernment – you have erred.
Jude 1:3-4 “Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”
The Mormons were founded by men befitting these scriptures – Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, unless you believe their version of history to be correct? I am not saying I am perfect and that tomorrow someone may trick me in some manner. However, I know what I am saying to be true, and if you are sticking close to the Word of God alone then you also know what I say is true.
Dr. Land, Dr. Wood and Dr. Mohler – If you are reading this I want you to know I wept for you!
Why such a hard message about Mormons some ask it is because the Bible teaches “accursed” in Galatians 1:6-9 means,
Strongs Exhaustive Concordance, “331 ἀνάθεμα anathema an-ath’-em-ah” is the strongest condemnation a person can have. “… A thing devoted to God without hope of being redeemed… therefore a person or thing doomed to destruction 2a) a curse 2b) a man accursed, devoted to the direst of woes”
These speakers know the Mormons worship a false God, a false Jesus with a false Gospel the Bible specifically calls accursed. They are using misguided notions that some common social issues where cults and other religions agree can be legitimate rallying points for the true and only God. Have they forgotten we live in a day where many lines that separate Christianity as an exclusive faith are being blurred at every turn? Is there really room to wiggle to say let’s get together on marriage, family and sexuality with Mormons? These Christian leaders got their eyes off the ball and are in real theological trouble. The Bible must be the last word in this matter!
Galatians 1:8 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”
Dr. Mohler’s closing words left open a door that should not be open without repentance being said,
“I come as a Christian, and I come as one who is honored by your kind and gracious invitation. I come in the hope of much further conversations, conversations about urgencies both temporal and eternal.”
At the conclusion of his speech, Mohler spoke frankly about some of the fundamental differences between LDS doctrine and Southern Baptist doctrine. He said they should not get in the way of defending the commonalities between them.
“Mohler said, Mormons and evangelicals “share love for the family, love for marriage, love for the gift of children, love of liberty and love of human society. We do so out of love and respect for each other and out of the gift of a growing and genuine friendship.” “It has been my great privilege to know friendship and share conversation with leaders of the LDS Church, such as Elder Tom Perry, Elder Quentin Cook and Elder Todd Christofferson,” he added. While Mohler’s noteworthy speech once might have been considered rare, today it fits within a larger framework of interfaith outreach.” (Source: Deseret News)
“I’m not here because I believe we’re going to heaven together. I do not believe that, and yet I am here and gladly so,” Mohler said. “Your faith has held high the importance of marriage and family. Your theology requires such an affirmation, and it is lovingly lived out by millions of Mormon families. That is why I and my Evangelical brothers and sisters are so glad to have Mormon neighbors. We stand together for the natural family, for the natural marriage.” http://universe.byu.edu/2013/10/23/southern-baptist-shares-beliefs-with-a-byu-audience/
It is one thing to have a Mormon neighbor it is another thing to join with them as friends as these men are doing. While I completely agree on the dangers our world presents they are nothing new and other leading men of faith have not crossed the chasm that separates the Bible believing Christian from the Mormon cultist.
According to the Deseret News more of these meetings are planned in 2014:
In January , the Deseret News has confirmed, [Ravi] Zacharias will return to Temple Square to speak from the Tabernacle pulpit again. He also will appear at BYU as part of the same lecture series as Land, Wood and Mohler.”
“Mohler will return to BYU on Feb. 25 to deliver a nationally televised, campuswide forum address.”
Another discernment site article looking at Zacharias and his involvement here: The Smoldering Ash Heap of Ravi Zacharias Ministries. (Link here).
The article Mormon Church Is Now Christian, by Apprising Ministries in 2007 is just as applicable today with these current leaders,
“Oops, I guess all these distinguished apologists in this “consortium of Christians” missed this bit of information about the LDS church from Dr. Walter Martin, widely regarded as “the father of modern Christian cult apologetics.” It was only in his classic textbook The Kingdom Of The Cults Dr. Martin warned the unwary that:
“it is evident for all to see that Mormonism strives with great effort to masquerade as the Christian church complete with an exclusive message, infallible prophets, and higher revelations for a new dispensation that the Mormons would have us believe began with Joseph Smith, Jr. But it is the verdict of both history and biblical theology that Joseph Smith’s religion is a polytheistic nightmare of garbled doctrines draped with the garment of Christian terminology. This fact, if nothing else, brands it a non-Christian cult system.
Those who would consider Mormonism would be greatly profited by a thoughtful consideration of the facts and evidence previously discussed [in this book], lest they be misled into the spiritual maze that is Mormonism (259, emphasis added)” (Source: Apprising Ministries)
Even if Dr. Mohler or other leaders are really working surreptitiously with the rest of the conversation, especially on the matters of eternal urgency that is not the Biblical way and I can tell you how that will go. We need to speak with the boldness of the Prophet Elijah,
1 Kings 18:21 “And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD [be] God, follow him: but if Baal, [then] follow him. And the people answered him not a word.”
Or as Apostle Paul as he boldly presented the Gospel and suffered greatly for it,
Acts 26:26 “For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.”
And as the Apostle Luke said,
Luke 11:33 “No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth [it] in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.”
The Gospel should not be hidden. We must declare the clear Gospel of our God and Savior – reminding them of the jealous God we serve that loves us so dearly.
Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;
From all appearances these leaders were allowed to speak within some preset confines; and the Mormons made it a point to state they had a “general authority” present. The ground rules were unacceptable because they would not to approve a true Gospel message. It appears to me if these leaders had deviated to share the Gospel in a clear fashion, sharing they are sinners and need to repent of their false beliefs they would have been shown the door and not invited to return in 2014. I was ready to commend Dr. Mohler if he had taken that step of faith and told him so in an email that appears to have fallen on deaf ears?
The only hope for the Mormon is to hear the whole truth that the God we worship, and His only Son Jesus Christ can save us.
Romans 3:24-25 “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”
Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
For more related articles to these interfaith meetings and gatherings on common grounds:
Why The LDS/Mormon Church Will NEVER Be Part Of The Body Of Christ
An answer to the efforts of people like Greg Johnson (Standing Together), Richard Mouw (Fuller Theological Seminary), Craig Hazen (Biola University), Ravi Zacharias (RZIM) and many others who are attempting to forge some kind of “Evangelicals And Mormons Together” alliance out of thin air by Sandy Simpson, 10/26/05
For more on the dangers of Mormonism:
The Problem with Witnessing to Mormons – Stand Up for the Truth
Similarities to things already tried in the past in the name of “common ground”:
Other articles on this topic From Truth With Snares:
Southern Baptist Leader Dr. R Albert Mohler to “Dialogue” with Mormons!?
”To the contrary, I believe that it is a false gospel that, however sincere and kind its adherents may be, leads to eternal death rather than to eternal life.” – Dr. R. Albert Mohler as quoted in Christian Post March 11th, 2011, Evangelicals, Mormons Search for Common Ground in Utah
There are some strange things going on with leaders from both the Assembly of God and Southern Baptists together with Mormons holding lectures that are not being recorded – why are these lectures not public!?
The third of a series of apparent secretive lectures is at the Mormon Brigham Young University scheduled to be held next week, October 21st, 2013 (details here: http://news.byu.edu/archive13-oct-mohler.aspx). Dr. R. Albert Mohler’s lecture is called, A Clear and Present Danger: Religious Liberty, Marriage and Family in the Late Modern Age.
What comes as a surprise to me is Dr. Mohler, who in the recent past has stood against being involved in interfaith/ecumenical “prayer” or “worship” meetings, agreed to be a speaker at BYU! In an interview on Issues and Etc. http://castroller.com/podcasts/IssuesEtc/3376880 February 2013, on the topic of Abandoning the Public Square.
Dr. Mohler states he’d stake his reputation on seeking to avoid participating in an interfaith “prayer” or “worship” service. Dr. Mohler made this point very clear even stating “I can’t imagine finding myself in such a position” and then even for the sake of argument if he “fell out of a helicopter” he would be compelled to share the Gospel that there is only one God and His only son is Jesus Christ.
While I would agree with Dr. Mohler on the points made about a interfaith prayer or worship service, this lecture series at BYU is not being recorded for all to hear. These lectures I am told by a BYU representative,
“Unfortunately, it was decided not to record the lectures. Sorry.”
The same contact said this in another email to our friends at Stand Up For The Truth:
“Amy, Thank you for your email. I can appreciate your concern, but as you might anticipate from the last presidential election new doors of friendship have been opened. Friendships blossom from getting to know each other and sharing in dialogue. Dr. Mohler is actually coming to Utah at an invitation from the Church leadership and while he is in Utah he is speaking at BYU. His topic is in an area where he is both an expert and where he and our church have common values.
I hope you will attend his lecture on Monday at 12:00 noon in the Varsity Theater.
As we saw with the meeting in September with Dr. George Wood of the Assembly of God the value the Mormons are putting on these meetings! Charismania Gone Nuts – AOG Together with LDS!
“Wood showed that God is playing a role in all religions and that Christians are more united than they sometimes think.” Quote from, Assembly of God CEO addresses BYU students
My point, the Mormons are seeing these meetings as interfaith and these speakers are their mission field! Need more? From the article linked above, “A recent push by the Quorum of the Twelve to promote religious freedom has led to much interfaith discussion and many opportunities, including this second lecture of the Faith, Family, and Society series.” [Bold emphasis mine]
The Quorum of Twelve are some of the highest ranking leaders in the Church of Latter Day Saints! It is dialogue the Mormons are after not debate! Remember what was said in response to the purpose of this meeting earlier, “His topic is in an area where he is both an expert and where he and our church have common values.”
It is beyond naïve’ to think the Mormons are not seizing this opportunity. Any Bible believing Christian leader standing with the Mormons on their turf are seriously deceived if they think they are doing the right thing with God! Oddly enough in the MP3 interview with Mohler he mentions one of the very things he should be saying to this Mormon audience he will have next Monday:
1 Kings 18:21 “And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD [be] God, follow him: but if Baal, [then] follow him. And the people answered him not a word.”
The Mormons worship a different God and a different Jesus – A false God! This voluntary association joins you with a cult that denies our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. They would never have invited Dr. Mohler if it was for the purpose of preaching the true Gospel of Jesus Christ! The opportunities come after this sort of association and the Mormons I fully expect to exploit it as they did with Dr. Wood! Dr. Wood points out this quote while attributed to him he didn’t say it the writers of BYU Universe did, “Wood showed that God is playing a role in all religions and that Christians are more united than they sometimes think.”
As I stated in an unanswered email over two weeks ago when I first heard Dr. Mohler was scheduled to speak at BYU, I admonished Dr. Mohler,
9/29/13 I sent this via http://www.albertmohler.com/contact/
I write as a brother in Christ. I am deeply concerned with the rampant ecumenism (in the guise of interfaith work) going on.
Are you taking the same positions being stated by Dr. Wood and Dr. Land? Hearing that you are speaking at BYU gave me pause… reason I see you as their Mormon mission field!
Hearing that Dr. Wood got a standing ovation I don’t think that indicated they would be tearing down any Moroni idols and flocking to our Baptist churches! Just like the Muslim, they translate what we say in witness into their language. I believe you know that and hope they throw you out of there for clearly defining our God! I mean that in the best possible way!
Dr. Mohler so you know I am not just another yahoo out there I have been exposing the ecumenism ongoing for some time. You can ask my good mutual friend Pastor [name omitted here], I believe if he is able will vouch for my character.
I can see no legitimate context for Dr. Mohler speaking at Brigham Young University to discuss A Clear and Present Danger: Religious Liberty, Marriage and Family in the Late Modern Age. The clear and present danger is Dr. Mohler’s actions and the message this sends to thousands, possibly millions of Bible believing Christians!
For more related to this fiasco here are some other links:
From Apprising Ministries to show this has been going on for some time with Dr. Richard Land of the Southern Baptists: