Recently I posted then edited our article on Brian Houston where the writer-director Darren Aronofsky was said to have openly stated the Noah movie is,
“…the least biblical biblical film ever made.”
And regarding some test screening scores used by Paramount studios Aronofsky said,
“I don’t give a [profanity removed] about test scores. I’m outside the test scores.”
My quotes were in the context from Time magazine and match several other major media outlets. Here is exactly how this was portrayed in Time with the entire quote minus the profanity only,
“While a key concern with The Bible was making sure churchgoers would find the miniseries to be an accurate representation of what Christians believe to be the word of God, Noah is a bit different. For the past few months, Aronofsky and Paramount have been at odds over the direction of the film. Paramount execs have been screen-testing versions that give more obvious nods to Scripture, while Aronofsky stood by his original vision for a movie he has called “the least biblical biblical film ever made.” And: “I don’t give a [profanity] about test scores. I’m outside the test scores.” It’s typical for a film to be screen-tested in a few different versions, but Noah went through about half a dozen, shown to predominantly Christian audiences, including one that featured religious imagery at the beginning and a Christian rock song called “Spirit Break Out” by Kim Walker-Smith played over the credits.”
Their source appears to have been the New Yorker magazine with a press release dated March 10th, 2014 where Aronofsky is quoted directly as saying,
“The unanticipated success of Aronofsky’s last film, “Black Swan,” has given him “access to new and dangerous toys,” Friend writes. Paramount Pictures produced “Noah,” a retelling of the story of Noah’s Ark, featuring an expanded narrative that includes family strife, an epic battle, sci-fi—including pipe guns, explosions, and six-armed fallen angels—and Darwinian evolution, at a final cost of a hundred and thirty million dollars. The visual-effects budget alone is three times the cost of “Black Swan.” Aronofsky tells Friend that “Noah” is “the least Biblical Biblical film ever made.””
Then later in the press release separately from Noah that represents Aronfsky’s feelings about movie studio screen test scores in general not about people of faith,
“In August, at a test screening in suburban Phoenix, the audience responded equivocally. Paramount, which had the right of final cut, asked for some radical changes before the remaining test screenings. “The idea was to see if the studio could placate the audience that had flocked to Mel Gibson’s ‘The Passion of the Christ’—the twenty-nine per cent of Americans who, the studio’s research said, consider themselves evangelical or ‘Bible-minded’—even if that meant making the film less faithful to Genesis and more faithful to people’s sentimental recollections of Genesis. Regarding studio testing, Aronofsky tells Friend, “I don’t give a [profanity] about the test scores! My films are outside the scores. Ten men in a room trying to come up with their favorite ice cream are going to agree on vanilla. I’m the Rocky Road guy.” In December, Paramount tested its fifth, and “least Aronofskian,” version of “Noah”: an eighty-six-minute beatitude that began with a montage of religious imagery, ended with a Christian rock song…”
Time magazine I believe misrepresented Aronofsky or it at least made it come across as an attack on people of faith. My point is not diminished however, Aronofsky no doubt referred to Noah as being his least Biblical film and he is a profane man by Biblical definition when cursing about movie studio test scores. He did not appear to be attacking people of faith directly when cursing but rather the Paramount movie studio screen test or any studio test scores for that matter.
So why does Rick Warren apparently now defend Aronofsky? I will let my readers answer that one…
“The quote arose after an interview with The New Yorker in which Aronofsky referred to “Noah” as “the least biblical biblical film ever made.” In using the word biblical twice in the quote, the director meant that “Noah” is unlike any other previously made religious film in a cinematic sense and feel.” (Christian Post)
So according to the Christian Post, Rick Warren is saying Aronofsky didn’t mean it was the least biblical but rather that “…Noah is unlike any other previously made religious film in a cinematic sense and feel.”
Baloney, I believe Aronofsky as quoted said it right! It is BOTH the least biblical and unlike any previously made religious film produced!
Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both [are] abomination to the LORD.
Any could any Christian call this atrocity of a movie Noah Biblically accurate, endorses it, praise it, encourage people to go see it – have forgotten or not read the Bible. The movie Noah is an environmentalist extremist movie changing (perverting) God’s word, removing the God of the Bible (only refers to a creator), promotes the Nephilim (Angel mating with women myth) along with a ‘boatload’ of fantasy. If that is not enough, its writer-director turns the great man of faith Noah (as seen in the Bible) into some sort of weird environmental wacko.
Any Christian leader like the one I previously pointed out – Brian Houston – should be booted out the door – they are unqualified to be leaders of a Bible believing Gospel preaching church that is!
I believe some of these ‘leaders’ like their political counterparts RINOs (Republicans in Name Only) are CINOs (Christians in Name Only) akin to wolves in sheep’s clothing! I use the political comparison because this is what I see these wolves doing, they are working with, partnering with, yoking together with Hollywood – working with those who are the most notorious in maligning and slandering our holy God! How can we get into bed with them reviewing their movies knowing that they are all about the bottom line – unless you make yourselves complicit in their abominations to God!?
“The staggering implications to this fraudulent retelling are legion and not within the scope of this brief review.
There you have it. This Hollywood fiasco has not only besmirched the real Noah, maligned the Word of truth, and upturned the foundation of the Gospel, but it has also blasphemed the true Creator and His Redeemer, the Lord Jesus Christ.
Save yourself the $22 (which includes the soda and popcorn) to see this outrageous film and read the Book instead. The rewards will be life changing and eternal.”
I wholeheartedly agree!
What is worse? Hollywood making their millions off of those proclaiming to be Christians or those considered ‘Christian’ leaders helping Hollywood to make millions off of Christians?
One of those Hollywood helping Christian leaders who recently caught my attention is Brian Houston of Hillsong. Why Houston? Well we stumbled onto a Time Magazine article, Films Are His Flock Jonathan Bock explains Christians to Hollywood and discovered there are Christian leaders assisting Hollywood market their movies. Near the end of the article is what caught my attention,
“Even though Aronofsky didn’t have the final cut, Moore says Noah is consistent with the director’s initial version, and it has received a stamp of approval from Christian leaders like Geof Morin, executive vice president of the American Bible society, and Brian Houston, senior pastor of Hillsong Church, which includes thousands of congregants at a dozen churches around the world. Bock believes Christian audiences in general will embrace it as well. “What Darren has done is make this guy righteous and flawed, which is what is going to resonate with the Christian community.”
While I have not heard of Geof Morin, I have been reading news about Brian Houston in recent days with the Christian Post and the discernment ministry of Hillsong Church Watch. The Hillsong Church Watch site rightfully warns about the false teachings coming out from showing how Houston taught that Christians and Muslims worship the same god. Yes, I read where Houston is trying to un-paint the corner he painted himself into but Houston did indeed say what he said then muddles things further by not admitting the error. For more on that news click here to read what Apprising Ministries has up.
So what’s the big deal with Houston now? Rephrasing the quote above Senior Pastor Brian Houston of Hillsong, who represents thousands of church goers has helped to promote Noah, the latest of Hollywood’s Bible hacks further muddying the waters of what the Bible teaches.
Houston and those like him I suppose can filter around all of the garbage to where there is a reference to the Bible in Noah to find something biblical but then again Houston’s gospel message appears to have as much gospel as the movie Noah!
Any “…stamp of approval…” from a Christian leader should mean the movie does not twist, distort and pervert God’s word.
Considering the job Bible hacking that Darren Aronofsky does with Noah how can it get a stamp of approval from any Bible believing Christian much less from a ‘Christian’ leader such as Senior Pastor Brian Houston?
Our older site Biblical Discernment Ministries contains an archive of information about one of World Vision’s previous leaders Ted Engstrom showing a pattern in their leadership going back decades with ecumenism and compromise. So why were many shocked or surprised that World Vision should suddenly announce an inclusive policy for homosexual marriage? I believe this decision was years perhaps decades in the making and their reversal is laughable.
Why I am saying the decision by World Vision and reversal a day later is laughable? Look at their history, their willingness to join with 50+ denominations and social gospel makes them more a hindrance to God’s truth. My friend and brother in Christ Pastor Ken Silva, of Apprising Ministries recently said regarding the World Vision announcement (source),
“If one affirms that same-sex sexual relations, even within a so-called marriage, is not a sin of sexual immorality then you aren’t going to offer the Gospel of repentance and forgiveness of sins in Jesus’ name to those practicing homosexual relations. You will deny them their only way to be saved out of that deviant life.”
Perhaps someone at World Vision got Pastor Silva’s message or one like it leading to the reversal to equate same-sex marriage with Biblical marriage? Well that may be a reach but there was certainly a firestorm against World Vision and that I found that refreshing! Now that the decision is reversed will we see some changes in World Vision leadership, with resignations or some sign they have repented?
According to their leader Richard Stearns who said in Christianity Today on 3/24/14 regarding the initial decision to equate same-sex marriage with traditional,
“World Vision’s board was not unanimous, acknowledged Stearns, but was “overwhelmingly in favor” of the change.”
World Vision’s board had a majority in favor! I for one will be amazed if we see any changes in leadership as they continue to march to the beat of their ecumenical and homosexual friendly leadership. Stearns went on to say in the decision for same-sex marriage,
“Changing the employee conduct policy to allow someone in a same-sex marriage who is a professed believer in Jesus Christ to work for us makes our policy more consistent with our practice on other divisive issues,” he said. “It also allows us to treat all of our employees the same way: abstinence outside of marriage, and fidelity within marriage.”
Stearns took pains to emphasize what World Vision is not communicating by the policy change. “It’s easy to read a lot more into this decision than is really there,” he said. “This is not an endorsement of same-sex marriage. We have decided we are not going to get into that debate. Nor is this a rejection of traditional marriage, which we affirm and support.”
“We’re not caving to some kind of pressure. We’re not on some slippery slope. There is no lawsuit threatening us. There is no employee group lobbying us,” said Stearns. “This is not us compromising. It is us deferring to the authority of churches and denominations on theological issues. We’re an operational arm of the global church, we’re not a theological arm of the church.
“This is simply a decision about whether or not you are eligible for employment at World Vision U.S. based on this single issue, and nothing more.”
So my readers know the above quote is direct with the March 24, 2014 Christianity Today article. What Stearns and others like him miss is ANY acceptance of same-sex marriage is a rejection of traditional marriage.
My opinion is Stearns’ spin on this “single issue” is very much theological, political and is indeed a slippery slope that World(ly) Vision has been on since its start.
My prayer is this fiasco reveals enough of how that financial support ends for World(ly) Vision and goes to Bible believing, Gospel preaching Christian charities – starting with their local churches.
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Beware of New Series Cosmos! Carl Sagan’s Cosmos Reboot NOT WHAT IT IS SOLD TO BE! Nat Geo/Fox with Neil deGrasse Tyson
Beware of new series Cosmos! Carl Sagan’s Cosmos series reboot NOT WHAT IT IS SOLD TO BE! Nat Geo/Fox with Neil deGrasse Tyson – More than SSSTTRREETTCCHHIINNGG The Truth of History!!!
Straight Personally from me about new Series Cosmos!!!
My opinion, Cosmos is intellectually dishonest, anti-Christian (perhaps outright anti-any religion), downright deceitful it smells of a personal agenda and I found it even more disconcerting that our President did the intro! Giordano Bruno is presented as a HERO of science BUT that is NOT factual!
I will be watching it now for other reasons then to learn some great truths because we cannot trust it, Cosmos is propaganda but for who!?
One article while I do not agree on a number of other things (pro-Roman Catholic) it reveals some of the warped history used in Cosmos http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godandthemachine/2014/03/dishonestcosmos/
“If you want to depict [Giordano] Bruno as a martyr for pantheistic cabalistic hermetic occultism, be my guest. But he was not a martyr for science.”
Cosmos shows Bruno as a hero of science and dishonestly rewrites history for reasons only the creators of this so-called Carl Sagan reboot know, please be very wary and warn friends/family to take it with a proverbial grain of salt.
Cosmos is sure to “wow” us with some facts but watch out for the arsenic mixed in!
Here is one more link not even a Christian site warning of how ridiculous this propaganda is: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2014/03/cosmos_revives_083061.html
Hope this helps!
2 Corinthians 10:3-5
“For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: 4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;”
Dr. Albert Mohler Meets Again with the Cult of the Sun and Moon People (Mormons)
Brigham Young co-founder of the Mormon Cult once said, “Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening called the moon? …when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain,” (Mormon – Journal of Discourses – quote more fully provided at end of article with source).
In a new evangelical outreach a number of prominent Christian leaders are meeting with the cult of the Sun and Moon People at Brigham Young University (BYU). At the personal invitation of the Sun and Moon People leader several Evangelical Christian leaders have graciously accepted over the past year. Due to the popularity of these interfaith meetings at the Sun and Moon People’s University (BYU), it was held where more students could attend and at least one of the Sun and Moon People’s general authorities were present on stage so the student body could know it has the full endorsement of their leadership. This past week the latest evangelical leader to speak again to the cult was Dr. Albert Mohler on February 25th, 2014, addressing what he sees as a common threat posed to our religious freedoms saying to the effect, despite whatever differences we have in doctrine and religious belief we urgently need to talk in the evil day we live. Opening up Dr. Mohler described the privilege it was to spend time with the General Authorities that run the cult counting them as friends,
“I also had the privilege of spending time with some of the General Authorities of your church, including Elder Tom Perry, Elder Quentin Cook, Elder Dallin Oaks, and several others. I am glad to know these men as friends.”
And Dr. Mohler said this which troubles me,
“We need to talk. We can and must take the risk of responsible, respectful, and honest conversation. We owe this to each other, and we owe this to the faiths we represent. And we had better talk with candor and urgency, for the times demand it.”
Dr. Mohler qualified his message stating how very different what an Evangelical Christian believes compared to the beliefs of a Sun and Moon cult member (similar to what he did this past October 2013). Dr. Mohler said, “I come to honor the importance of ideas and the centrality of the search for truth with you.” Previously Dr. Mohler said in October 2013,
“I love and respect you as friends, and as friends we would speak only what we believe to be true, especially on matters of eternal significance. We inhabit separate and irreconcilable theological worlds, made clear with respect to the doctrine of the Trinity. And yet here I am, and gladly so. We will speak to one another of what we most sincerely believe to be true, precisely because we love and respect one another.”
“Irreconcilable”, “not going to heaven together,” means the other is condemned to Hell right!? And “speaking only what we believe to be true”, is he willing to speak with every other religious group out there as well saying we need to talk because the times demand it? Do we need to go to other cult academic locations even though they are spiritual enemies of the true Cross of Christ? Will he or others go to the Jehovah’s Witnesses next and do the same thing in their alleged search for the truth!? Does the Sun and Moon people cult (Mormon) really hold the same values, the same morality we hold up as the natural family? No. On the surface it may appear we agree but in the most fundamental ways our God is different than the Mormon god. Our views differ on husband, wife and children plus quickly deviate in every possible regard to what Heaven is – unless you are planning to propagate children on other worlds as new little gods! Our doctrine, our Christian teachings call what the Mormons teach accursed – how can we say less!?For plenty more of what the Mormons teach I recommend this ministry’s material, Mormon Research Ministry - They are truly one on the front-line in this spiritual war! How can we say we need to talk, except to say I have heard what you have taught and it is patently false, as false as non-traditional marriage, it is a fraud of what is Holy, what is pure based upon solely the Word of God our Creator. You need to repent! But Dr. Mohler said,
“Your faith has held high the importance of marriage and family. Your theology requires such an affirmation, and it is lovingly lived out by millions of Mormon families. That is why I and my evangelical brothers and sisters are so glad to have Mormon neighbors. We stand together for the natural family, for natural marriage, for the integrity of sexuality within marriage alone, and for the hope of human flourishing.”
Nothing makes the Mormon family above reproach Dr. Mohler and in fact the Mormon cult very carefully trains the Mormon disciple in every aspect of their doctrine but you know this and it in part why I am not mincing my open condemnation of your actions. Ok, for the sake of argument say a Mormon makes a fine American neighbor. As a military veteran I know what evils are in the world and I know if I had to defend my family, home, and liberty a Mormon would be a fierce ally in spite of our fundamental differences – but that is based on the religious liberty we have given us in the constitution of this great country we live. As a Christian first, I do not dare wrap myself in the flag in some kind of nationalistic pride that I see Dr. Mohler doing to rationalize to join with the Mormons! God first, and family second – we trust in God to work these things out. We have no intellectual rational that we can use to join as friends with those the Bible calls accursed, why do I state this so emphatically you ask? If you believe the Bible is God’s word and the meaning of the word “accursed” in the Greek you need to consider this: Strongs concordance for accursed: “331 ἀνάθεμα anathema an-ath’-em-ah is the strongest condemnation a person can have. “… A thing devoted to God without hope of being redeemed… therefore a person or thing doomed to destruction 2a) a curse 2b) a man accursed, devoted to the direst of woes”
Galatians 1:6-12 “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. 11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”
Following the scriptures above, Mormonism preaches another gospel which is not another, they trouble fellow believers with their own missions, they pervert the gospel of Christ, the Mormon claim is their gospel message came by way of an angel called Moroni. The Mormon gospel came after man by way of Joseph Smith, and co-founder Brigham Young but the Christian Gospel came directly by the revelation of Jesus Christ! Our business with the Mormons is clear, if we love them we pray for them never backing away from telling the hard truths and when one repents then we rejoice! If we are preaching the Gospel it is our Christian duty to follow through with the delivery of the whole Gospel which also includes,
Luke 9:5 “And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.”
Luke 10:10-16 “But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say, 11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you. 12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city. 13 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. 14 But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you. 15 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell. 16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.” Matthew 10:14-16 “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. 16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.” Mark 6:11-12 “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. 12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.”
According to the Bible, there is a fundamental principle dealing with those who have refused the Gospel of Jesus Christ. No matter how friendly they appear, no matter if you think they make great neighbors, no matter if in your estimation they hold to traditional marriage and family or that we share this country with the religious freedoms imparted to us that you feel are being threatened – it is the crystal clear message of the Bible warning when you depart those who refuse the Gospel and yes it is a very hard and very public statement,
Luke 10:10-11 “But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say, 11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.”
We as Bible believing Christians have no liberty or license to go and seek some common ground and seek to stand together with the likes of Mormons or any other false religion or cult – because they have openly refused to listen and believe the Gospel. We continue telling them the truth of the cross of Christ and openly denounce their gospel of the men Joseph Smith and Brigham Young as the fraud it is less we cause others to fall especially new or unlearned Christians, we MUST explain the differences! Their god is not God! Their Jesus is NOT our Jesus – to do less we have not loved the Mormon, we have actually hated their eternal soul helping them on to the way to Hell and damnation that is truly the issue of eternal significance!!!
The Bible not Dr. Albert Mohler has the last word in this matter! Taking a stand for our rights in this country is one thing but we have as much in common Mormons as a man on the Moon!
While the Mormons (Sun and Moon people cult) stands apart from traditional Christianity, not believing in the same God the Father, Jesus Christ the Only Son of God, and Holy Spirit or that He is One Triune God, they also believe the fall of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden was a good thing, and much, much more. The Mormon worldview is completely different from Christianity and even reality! While Dr. Mohler may have prayed in earnest then believed and intellectually rationalized it would be a good thing to accept this invitation he was dead wrong. Many of the very things he commended the Mormon on such as the devotion to traditional family and marriage are absurdities! Mormons teach that marriage is ETERNAL but the Bible makes it clear that is untrue. The Mormons teach that family is ETERNAL if the marriage was sealed with their temple rites but the Bible teaches no such thing. The list of differences between us is so extensive there are books to cover them! To put it directly as Dr. Albert Mohler said in the past,
In other words, Mormonism rejects traditional Christian orthodoxy at the onset- this rejection is the very logic of Mormonism’s existence. A contemporary observer of Mormon public relations is not going to hear this logic presented directly, but it is the very logic and message of the Book of Mormon and the structure of Mormon thought. Mormonism rejects Christian orthodoxy as the very argument for its own existence, and it clearly identifies historic Christianity as a false faith. http://www.christianity.com/christian-life/political-and-social-issues/mormonism-is-not-christianity-11628184.html
If Dr. Mohler still believes this then why you ask is he participating in these interfaith meetings? My belief is, Dr. Mohler has fallen into a trap that even this writer can relate too – PRIDE in intellect! While seeking to win these lost cult members he has accepted their invitation on a good moral cause but is unwittingly duped into what others like him Dr. Land, Dr. Wood and Dr. Zacharias have done. Their commendations to the Mormon fails to include what the Apostle Paul would have said next – their CONDEMNATION for perverting the Gospel Galatians 1:6-9. The Sun and Moon cult is the Mormon cult I opened with words straight from one of Mormon’s master deceivers Brigham Young and now in my opinion we have someone dubbed as one of today’s greatest Evangelical Christian intellectuals Dr. Albert Mohler standing as a pawn of the ever manipulative Mormon cult. My belief is Dr. Mohler is being played the fool on a fool’s errand, not giving a clear Gospel message but one that is sure to be used by the cult, by these men and women masquerading as God’s people when they are not! The Bible shows Dr. Mohler to be in complicity by associating with them, by being continual friends with them - it is inexcusable and needs open condemnation by all who hold the Bible to be true. We can rationalize ourselves into an intellectual corner against a wall and that is where I see Dr. Albert Mohler today, I have told him I am praying for him and indeed I am, there is nothing our true God cannot do including a reset of his position with Mormons (Sun and Moon People cult) that I have said previously is an egregious error and that belief stands.
2 John 1:10-11 “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
The above verse is one of the basics a young Christian learns if he/she is properly discipled and how to recognize the liars coming to our doors! The Apostle Paul pled with the Corinthians and I use to plead with Dr. Mohler or any who would defend him,
2 Corinthians 11:1-19 [bold emphasis mine] 1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles. 6 But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things. 7 Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely? 8 I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service. 9 And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself. 10 As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia. 11 Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth. 12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. 16 I say again, Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little. 17 That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting. 18 Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also. 19 For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.
Below I close with a quote from Mormon co-founder Brigham Young more fully (link included and it can be verified on the Mormon websites for their Journal of Discourses). It is one of many examples of the aberrant teachings of Mormonism usually swept under the carpet but none the less it is one of their many teachings of a completely different view of reality – literally a man-made fantasy! Again it begs the question why would any Bible Believing Christian accept a call to speak at a Mormon run interfaith meeting? Whether you are looking at it that way or not Dr. Mohler – that is how the Mormon sees it. As promised here is an excellent article documenting the Mormon leadership history on this ludicrous topic: http://www.mrm.org/moon-men Brigham Young said, [bold emphasis mine to focus on the sun, moon people and ‘wives’ too]
I will tell you who the real fanatics are: they are they who adopt false principles and ideas as facts, and try to establish a superstructure upon a false foundation. They are the fanatics; and however ardent and zealous they may be, they may reason or argue on false premises till doomsday, and the result will be false. If our religion is of this character we want to know it; we would like to find a philosopher who can prove it to us. We are called ignorant; so we are: but what of it? Are not all ignorant? I rather think so. Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon? When we view its face we may see what is termed “the man in the moon,” and what some philosophers declare are the shadows of mountains. But these sayings are very vague, and amount to nothing; and when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fellows. So it is with regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain. It was made to give light to those who dwell upon it, and to other planets; and so will this earth when it is celestialized. Every planet in its first rude, organic state receives not the glory of God upon it, but is opaque; but when celestialized, every planet that God brings into existence is a body of light, but not till then. Christ is the light of this planet. God gives light to our eyes. Did you ever think who gave you the power of seeing? Who organized these little globules in our heads, and formed the nerves running to the brain, and gave us the power of distinguishing a circle from a square, an upright from a level, large from small, white from black, brown from gray, and so on? Did you acquire this faculty by your own power? Did any of you impart this power to me or I to you? Not at all. Then where did we get it from? From a superior Being. When I think of these few little things with regard to the organization of the earth and the people of the earth, how curious and how singular it is! And yet how harmonious and beautiful are Nature’s laws! And the work of God goes forward, and who can hinder it, or who can stay His hand now that He has commenced His kingdom?
This brings us right back to this Gospel. God has commenced His kingdom on the earth. How intricate it is, and how difficult for a man to understand if he be not enlightened by the Spirit of God! How can we understand it? O, we have nothing to do but to humble ourselves and get the spirit of the Lord by being born of the water and of the Spirit; then we can enter into it. How is it if we are not born of the Spirit? Can the natural man behold the things of God? He cannot, for they are discerned spiritually—by the Spirit of the Almighty, and if we have not this Spirit within us we cannot understand the things of God. But the most simple thing in the world to understand is the work of the Lord. What shall we do? Divest ourselves of great, big “Mr. I.” Let him fall at the feet of good sound reason. What next? Humble ourselves before the Lord and receive the truth as He has revealed it, then we will be born of the Spirit. Then if we wish further blessings, be born of the water; then, if we wish further blessings, receive the laying on of hands for the reception of the Holy Ghost; and if we wish still further blessings, live by every word that proceeds out of His mouth, that is spoken from the heavens, then things will be brought to our remembrance by the Comforter that Jesus promised his disciples, which should show them things past, present, and to come.
This is the Gospel as we believe it. Is there any harm in it? Not the least in the world. Should we not obey it? We should. Should we not obey the requirements of Heaven? Certainly we should. Would it be the least injurious to the human family to receive the Gospel of the Son of God, and to have the man Christ Jesus to rule over them? Not at all; but, on the contrary, it would fill them with peace, joy, love, kindness, and intelligence. Would the principles of the Gospel, if obeyed, teach us to control ourselves? They would. They will teach men and women to govern and control their own passions. You very frequently hear it said, “Such a man or woman has too much temper.” This is a mistaken idea. No person on earth has too much of this article. But do we not frequently see the evil conduct of people through allowing their passions and tempers to have full control of them? Certainly we do. What is the difficulty? We want the spirit, knowledge, power and principle within us to govern and control our tempers; there is no danger of having too much if we will only control them by the Spirit of the Almighty. Every intelligent being on the earth is tempered for glory, beauty, excellency and knowledge here, and for immortality and eternal lives in the worlds to come. But every being who attains to this must be sanctified before God and be completely under the control of His Spirit. If I am thus controlled by the Spirit of the Most High I am a king, I am supreme so far as the control of self is concerned; and it also enables me to control my wives and children. And when they thus see that I am under the government and control of the Good Spirit, they will be perfectly submissive to my dictates. They feel and say, “Yes, father, or husband, certainly, you never require anything that is wrong; I have learned that long ago. Your judgment and discretion and the power of thought and reflection in you are sufficient; you know what is right.” And if I could extend this power I could reign supreme, not only over my family and friends, but also over my neighbors and the people all around me. Could the spirit of error, hatred and wickedness perform this? No, it can be accomplished only by means of the meek and humble spirit of the Lord Jesus. If an individual is filled with that, it makes him a perfect monarch over himself, and it will give him influence…”
In a related query to Mormon Research Ministry who are fighting the good fight in Utah,
Thanks for sharing your concerns. While I have utmost respect for the men you mention below, I too wonder if their appearance at Mormon venues is actually helping or hindering evangelism efforts. Thirty five + years of dealing with Mormonism tells me the LDS Church does nothing unless it’s agenda can be furthered. As far as I understand, the topics they have discussed have been more about religious freedom, etc., and not doctrinal truth; so this, I think, explains why we probably can’t expect anything to be said that will cause a Mormon to seriously reconsider their Mormonism. If I was asked who benefits most from these meetings I would have to say the Mormons, hands down. If they didn’t, the Mormons wouldn’t do it. I wish men of their caliber would sit down with those us who labor everyday in Utah, but so far, that has not happened.
I hope this helps.