A Baptist theologian, who’s spent years studying the works of leading Mormon scholars, said he has noticed a shift in “Mormonism” that can potentially lead to the the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints one day being viewed as a Christian denomination, much like what occurred in the evolution of the Worldwide Church of God.
Although many evangelical critics belonging to mainline Christian denominations view the LDS Church as less-than-Christian, Roger Olson, who’s a theology professor at Baylor University’s George W. Truett Theological Seminary in Waco, Texas, wrote in a recent blog post on Patheos.com that through his studies of the Mormon faith and discussion with various LDS leaders, “there is no doubt” in his mind that there is a “discernible” evolution of Mormonism that is leading it to a “more biblical” account of Jesus and salvation.
“There is no doubt in my mind that something is going on in the LDS Church and Mormonism, in general, that constitutes a gradual but discernible shift away from those doctrines most anti-Mormon Christian critics like to highlight toward a somewhat more biblical and even evangelical account of Christ and salvation,” Olson, who’s also a Baptist minister, wrote.
“But the shift I see, at least in ‘BYU Mormonism,’ is so dramatic — from [James] Talmage’s Mormonism, for example — that I can envision someday the LDS Church evolving into a Christian denomination,” Olson continued. “For now, though, I consider it an alternative religion rooted in Christianity but also rooted, unfortunately, in Joseph Smith’s and Brigham Young’s fantasies.”
Olson, whose blog post was titled “Is Mormonism Christian?” explained that he has had a “life-long” interest in Mormonism, has read many books about it by Mormon and non-Mormon scholars, and has had many conversations about Mormonism with all types of Mormons — “from teenage missionaries to top scholars of the LDS Church and many ‘in between.’”
Olson, who has also taught about Mormonism while teaching courses on American religion, further explained that he was invited to participate in a two-weekend “ecumencial dialogue event” at Brigham Young University. Olson wrote that he believes the event was an attempt by Mormon leaders to convince mainline Christians that the LDS Church is, in fact, Christian, even if it means being “Christian with a difference.”
“I learned a lot about Mormonism during those two weekends,” Olson stated. ” I discerned from them, as well as from reading contemporary Mormon literature, that the top leaders of the LDS Church very much want their religion and church to be considered authentically Christian — the fourth ‘branch,’ as it were, of Christianity: Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Protestant, Mormon.” (Continue reading online source)
Say it ain’t so!
Perhaps another for Pastor Chris Rosebrough’s Museum of Idolatry? I will send him the link! As he said on 12/23 about this sort of thing,
“But more importantly, do these über expensive spectacles help the church fulfill the Great Commission or are they signs of the decadence and corruption of Evangelicalism?” (online source)
Over 8000 attended! Wow… sad testament of where things are headed with churches, seeker sensitive churches? Well the worldly or should I say ‘other-worldly’ appeal is clear to see! Here are a few screenshots:
Here is another great article bringing out some basic contradictions of those supporting the LGBT movement – showing it is nothing but propaganda rife with lies!
Excerpts from: The Transgender War on Everything By Bill Muehlenberg
All this chaos, carnage and confusion is being brought upon us by the aid of scientifically bogus propaganda which has been used to fool millions, and has done untold damage, especially to our children. The claim that homosexuality is genetically based and is immutable is one of the lies being pushed.
But at the same time we are being told with utter assurance that gender is fluid, a social construct, and can be changed at will. Um, so why is it that a person can be heterosexual today, bisexual tomorrow, transgender the next day, transvestite the following day, and so on, but the homosexual condition is set in concrete and inalterable?
And one more:
Berger, who is a consulting psychiatrist in Toronto and whose list of credentials establishes him as an expert in the field of mental illness, stated that people who identify themselves as “transgendered” are mentally ill or simply unhappy, and pointed out that hormone therapy and surgery are not appropriate treatments for psychosis or unhappiness.
“‘Transgendered’ are people who claim that they really are or wish to be people of the sex opposite to which they were born, or to which their chromosomal configuration attests,” Dr. Berger stated. “Sometimes, some of these people have claimed that they are ‘a woman trapped in a man’s body’ or alternatively ‘a man trapped in a woman’s body’.”
“The medical treatment of delusions, psychosis or emotional happiness is not surgery,” Dr. Berger stated.
He explained that cosmetic surgery will not change the chromosomes of a human being in that it will not make a man become a woman, capable of menstruating, ovulating, and having children, nor will it make a woman into a man, capable of generating sperm that can unite with an egg or ovum from a woman and fertilize that egg to produce a human child.
To read the rest of the article here is the online source: The Transgender War on Everything
Saw this article tonight that brought back memories of an article I had done back in 2001 (below). This one from Defending. Contending. I recommend reading summarizing again the truth about the LGBT crowd. NOVEMBER 6, 2015
The science aspect of this question is rather simple. There is no “gay” gene. There never has been a “gay” gene. There never will be a “gay” gene. Modern scientists will strive in vain to find that which undermines and countermands the Word of God. The reason is because modern culture hates everything about God. It hates the Bible with a passion because it points out the sin nature that is found in every man, woman, and child who has ever lived. Modern culture wants to think that man is getting better and better. Because of this thought process, it demands that all must conform equally to whatever is considered to be the acceptable norm.
Enter the LGBT community along with their open and unashamed agenda for the total destruction of all that is right and wholesome. How have we come so far in such a short time? (Read rest of article at Defending Contending Click Here)
On a similar note here is a short article from me back in 2001 at: http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/behavior.htm
Stand Up For Morality!
Published August 31, 2001
In the Rapid City Journal, Rapid City South Dakota
Article by: John Beardsley e-mail: email@example.com
(As Submitted to the Rapid City Journal)
(Article may be used with permission)
Marriage by definition is the joining of a man and woman. Our society has not rightfully considered the moral and social implications of homosexuals being joined. Changing the law based on emotion or feelings is a mistake no matter how heartfelt they are.
If homosexual behavior is to be considered “normal” what does human science have to say about it? Are there verifiable facts to support the contentions of the homosexual movement that their “orientation” is somehow genetic? Like a person being born white or black, male or female? Should we fundamentally alter our society’s laws for a “chosen behavior”? If we make this paradigm shift, what behavior will someone want to normalize next?
As a Christian, I take great exception to Michael Coats’ viewpoint (Forum, Aug. 25) that opposition to homosexuals being Christian is solely based on a particular interpretation of scripture. If you are Christian, you either believe what the Bible says condemning homosexuality, or you do not believe it and you are not Christian by definition. The book of Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 leaves no room for a person to be an unrepentant homosexual Christian. Jesus came to call sinners unto repentance whether homosexual, adulterer, thief, and etc.
A case study, Bailey & Pillard, of twins tries to demonstrate that homosexuality is inherited, however: “This study has been understood as a demonstration that homosexuality is genetic, but there are some real problems with that conclusion. … Whatever the answer, it is not genetic.” – Dr. Robert A. Pyne. Another study done by Simon Levay reveals possible abnormalities in the hypothalamus of homosexuals which researchers said needs replication.
According to an October 1996 panel at the American Society of Human Genetics (ASHG), “No conclusions can be drawn from studies relating genetics to sexual orientation.” The ASHG also warned against “‘genetic determinism’ on the basis of today’s fragmentary and sometimes contradictory findings.”
No study has proven that homosexuality is genetic, hormonal or environmental! An article from Hastings Center Report even challenges the science in key research studies that have suggested a genetic base for homosexuality! The whole argument for genetic homosexuality is flawed. It is being pushed upon the public through the guise of being “normal” insisting we must accept their behavior or suffer consequences, lawsuits! Homosexuals are pushing an agenda, along with propaganda, attempting to redefine laws and making it a crime to have an opinion against them! Calling anyone who stands against them as being hateful homophobic bigots!
The homosexual agenda is readily observed in the following Hollywood shows and more: “Veronica’s Closet,” “Head Over Heals,” “413 Hope Street,” “Profiler,” “E.R.,” “NYPD Blue,” “Friends,” “Spin City,” “Mad About You,” “Party of Five,” “The Simpsons,” “The Larry Sanders Show,” “Cybill,” “Chicago Hope,” “All My Children,” “Nash Bridges,” “Fraiser,” “Unhappily Ever After” and “Babylon 5” (Source: Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation). This is not counting the infiltration of Disney by homosexuals!
The National Education Association has taken up the pro-homosexual agenda by encouraging schools to introduce pro-homosexual materials and concepts to students. The National Gay Task Force has goals to remove all age of consent laws, and to legalize same-sex marriages. More radical homosexual groups like ACT-UP and Queer Nation have even used more aggressiveness to further their agendas!
The fact is that humans are made up of male and female, just like God created them. Marriage is the monogamous joining of male and female for the purpose of love, togetherness and procreation. As we all know there can be no new humans without the involvement of a male sperm and a female egg. God fixed that as a natural law, and no homosexual or lesbian can change it!
More Bible references condemning homosexual behavior: Leviticus 18:22-24, Leviticus 20:13. (Under Old Testament Law the penalty was death, but in Christ there is grace for the repentant sinner.)
“And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of a woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.” (Romans 1:27)
Is it bashing or arrogance to point out facts not acceptable to homosexuals? No more than for them to bash Christians who speak the facts in public. Yes, homosexuals and lesbians must be loved as any other person is loved, but their error does not have to be loved or accepted.
We pass laws against murder, rape, robbery and other social behaviors. We have also passed laws against immoral behavior. However, a society that has become very immoral in behavior seeks to repeal the moral laws. It is time for the people of this land who still love truth and biblical morality to rise up and oppose such notions as homosexual marriage, and declare the facts!
Forsaking the Assembling [Emphasis in bold, and indented passages are taken from translator notes in the margins of the 1880’s KJV Sunday School Teacher’s Edition Bible, cross references, Strong’s definitions, and Greek or Hebrew Dictionaries.]
16 “This is the covenant [new] that I will make with them after those days [old covenant], saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. [see Matt. 26:28] 19 “Having therefore, brethren, boldness [liberty] to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated [made new] for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21 And having an high priest over the house of God; 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil [4190 πονηρος poneros pon-ay-ros’ 2) bad, of a bad nature or condition; 2a) in a physical sense: diseased or blind; 2b) in an ethical sense: evil wicked, bad] conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the profession [confession] of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised; [1 John 1:9]) 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking [abandoning] the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.”
As important as it is to gather together with fellow Christians to pray, bear one another’s burdens, lift each other up with encouragement, etc., we must keep the verses above in context. The whole of which is addressing accountability, not attendance to church services. If left to ourselves, we in our sinful nature would succumb to temptation the majority of the time. Exhorting and being exhorted to stand firm in our faith, provoking unto love and to good works encourages accountability and avoidance of sin. Verse 26 is quite clear on this—what was the point of having Jesus sacrifice his blood for our sins if after receiving the knowledge of truth we are saved, but willfully choose to continue in sin anyway?
The word forsaking in Heb. 10:25 and forsaken in Matt. 27:46 are from the same Greek word as defined below. Jesus asked his heavenly Father “why hast thou forsaken me” when he bore our sins on the cross. It was necessary for God the Father to temporarily abandon his son because he cannot be in the presence of sin.
In more conservative churches, however, Heb. 10:25 is most commonly quoted to keep the congregation in faithful attendance, but, as it has just been pointed out, these verses are not pertaining to attendance. The overly emphasized word is “forsaking,” but what is not taught is the correct definition—abandonment.
#1459 εγκαταλειπω egkataleipo eng-kat-al-i’-po from 1722 and 2641; v
AV-forsake 7, leave 2; 9
1) abandon, desert
1a) leave in straits, leave helpless
1b) totally abandoned, utterly forsaken
2) to leave behind among, to leave surviving
Spiritually, it is the pastor’s responsibility to look after the flock of his congregation when they are gathered, but it is on the individual’s shoulders to be responsible for his or her spiritual walk when not in attendance. In this way, there should be no blame or guilt placed on either side if and when an individual strays from that which he or she professed to believe and uphold.
For church elders to imply in any way that a person is forsaking the assembly if he or she is not faithful in attending every service they see fit to schedule, especially when they say “it is a Christian’s duty to be here every time the door is opened,” then they are as guilty as the Pharisees for expanding the written law and expecting equal reverence to it. There is no timetable as to how often Christians should gather.
It has been voiced by many a preacher how physically tired they get from the work put into preparing for the services they preach, not to mention, the other duties they are called upon to perform such as visitation, comforting those in the hospital, or shut-ins due to health or disabilities, counseling, and so forth. “The Sabbath”, or as it has come to be known “The Lord’s Day”, was not intended for so much work. As time has progressed, more and more edicts of men have been added to the “assembling together.” This, the preachers have brought on themselves, and thus, by their actions, have taught their congregation to expect it of them.
This, by no means, is advocating non-attendance to church services—abandonment of Christian fellowship whether in church or elsewhere is not wise. By the same token, missing some services, or occasional lack of attendance to every weekly, by-weekly, and extra services for special occasions, etc., is not breaking a law of God or any of His principles. These are traditions of men!
Berean Research: Baptist Scholar Says Mormonism Is Evolving Towards Christianity With “Biblical,” Views of “Christ and Salvation”
Below is a re-post from my good friends at Berean Research. When I originally saw the piece in a Prophecy News Watch email with a “Baptist” university professor saying Mormons are adopting more Christian doctrines, I said, “Oh really!?” Again, I was shocked that someone with a ‘doctorate’ from a Christian university was really that naive’ to believe it!
I have been exposing what I see as a perilous road some well-meaning Christian leaders and teachers have been taking with Mormon leadership not the least of them Dr. Albert Mohler (more here) and now add to that Dr. Roger Olson a theology professor at Baylor University.
On a personal level I see this cozying up with Mormons by evangelicals and charismatics as nothing more than being friends of a cult! Second, if Dr. Roger Olson and Dr. Albert Mohler really believe they are winning over these Mormons by either of their ways of thinking, they have been deceived and deeply compromised!
Dr. Olson’s errors have had more scrutiny since this came out in June 2015 for a more in depth look at this I strongly encourage you to listen to some real soldiers for Christ taking a stand against Mormonism for more than 30 years. These soldiers are at the front lines of this spiritual battle sharing the true gospel, Mormon Research Ministry (MRM). So at the end of the Berean Research article I have provided links to a 10 part series clearly exposing the unpardonable errors made by Dr. Olson’s thinking and how very perilous it is!
For those reading our posts warning about Roma Downey and Mark Burnett here is a new movie they are introducing Christians to the occult. The link below covers this in great detail I recommend sharing it with anyone you can that they may be able to avoid this latest snare: